{"id":1365,"date":"2012-06-17T15:26:14","date_gmt":"2012-06-17T18:26:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/?p=1365"},"modified":"2012-06-17T15:26:14","modified_gmt":"2012-06-17T18:26:14","slug":"holandes-para-catarineses-dutch-for-internationals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/2012\/06\/17\/holandes-para-catarineses-dutch-for-internationals\/","title":{"rendered":"Holand\u00eas para Catarineses \/ Dutch for internationals"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align:justify\"><span style=\"color:#008000\">Tchozinhos e Tchozinhas,<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify\"><span style=\"color:#008000\">Segue um pequeno manual para aqueles que tem curiosidade sobre a l\u00edngua Holandesa ou Fraiburguesa, \u00fatil para aqueles e que um dia ainda v\u00e3o acabar tendo que se aprofundar em alguma delas. Ao contr\u00e1rio do que muitos pensam, o foco de estudo e trabalho na Holanda n\u00e3o foi o idioma em si, mas sim os temas de &#8220;gest\u00e3o empresarial&#8221;, &#8220;gest\u00e3o do conhecimento&#8221;, &#8220;tecnologia da informa\u00e7\u00e3o&#8221; e &#8220;inova\u00e7\u00e3o&#8221;. No entanto, acredito que \u00e9 muito dif\u00edcil compreender as dimens\u00f5es destes assuntos sem um pr\u00e9vio conhecimento da cultura, da hist\u00f3ria e do contexto de cada regi\u00e3o onde as organiza\u00e7\u00f5es s\u00e3o geridas. At\u00e9 existem algumas teorias interessantes na \u00e1rea de neuro-economia que ajudam a compreender a racionalidade ou irracionalidade humana durante a tomada de decis\u00e3o, por\u00e9m estas id\u00e9ias ainda n\u00e3o s\u00e3o t\u00e3o f\u00e1ceis de se utilizar. Logo, n\u00e3o h\u00e1 escapat\u00f3ria, \u00e9 preciso entender o jeit\u00e3o de cada povo come\u00e7ando pela sua base\u00a0 (idioma) porque com a globaliza\u00e7\u00e3o e extens\u00e3o dos mercados, esse tipo de conhecimento ser\u00e1 cada vez mais necess\u00e1rio. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify\"><span style=\"color:#008000\">A tabela abaixo \u00e9 resultado de v\u00e1rias dores de cabe\u00e7a tentando fazer sentido das conversas em holand\u00eas. At\u00e9 ent\u00e3o n\u00e3o vi nenhum livro falando essas varia\u00e7\u00f5es sem\u00e2nticas do &#8220;ja&#8221; holand\u00eas. Para o tchozinho era muito estranho ouvir conversas que pareciam lutas de Karate cheios de I\u00e1!!! I\u00e1, I\u00e1 I\u00e1&#8230;.(o jota se pronuncia como a letra &#8220;I&#8221; de igreja) Engra\u00e7ado que nem os pr\u00f3prios holandeses eram conscientes disso. Basicamente \u00e9 preciso estar atento a intona\u00e7\u00e3o e ao contexto. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify\"><span style=\"color:#008000\">Agradecimentos aos amigos que tiveram muita paci\u00eancia com o tchozinho:\u00a0Menno Holtkamp, Silvie Pothof, John Donker and (Dini and Henk Bosman).\u00a0 Agradecimento a Mariani Oliveira pelas express\u00f5es de incredulidade Fraiburguenses &#8220;Capazzz&#8221;<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align:justify\">Dear Dutch and international friends, it is quite some time I am back to Brazil but I am still in touch with the Dutch culture even being so far. Since I was in there, I had some troubles making sense of Dutch conversations therefore I decided to write down what means &#8220;ja&#8221; and then I expected it would somehow facilitate the communication with the Dutch, who, in most cases, are not yet fully aware of the wide variation of &#8220;ja&#8221; just by the changes of voice tones. I dedicate this work vers\u00e3o 2 to the ones who had the patience to explain what they did they mean :). Acknowledgements to Menno Holtkamp, Silvie Pothof, John Donker and (Dini and Henk Bosman).<\/p>\n<table width=\"501\" border=\"1\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/dutch-flag.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter  wp-image-1366\" title=\"dutch flag\" src=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/dutch-flag.gif\" alt=\"\" width=\"83\" height=\"56\" \/><\/a>Holand\u00eas (Dutch)<\/td>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/uk.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-275 alignleft\" title=\"UK Flag\" src=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/uk.jpg?w=150\" alt=\"\" width=\"48\" height=\"24\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2011\/09\/uk.jpg 499w, https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2011\/09\/uk-300x150.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 48px) 100vw, 48px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/200px-flag_of_the_united_states-svg.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright  wp-image-1395\" title=\"200px-Flag_of_the_United_States.svg\" src=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/200px-flag_of_the_united_states-svg.png?w=150\" alt=\"\" width=\"49\" height=\"27\" \/><\/a>English \/ Ingl\u00eas<\/td>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><a href=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/bandeira-do-brasil.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1390 alignleft\" title=\"bandeira-do-brasil\" src=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/bandeira-do-brasil.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"61\" height=\"40\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/595px-bandeira_santa_catarina-svg.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-1389 alignleft\" title=\"595px-Bandeira_Santa_Catarina.svg\" src=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/06\/595px-bandeira_santa_catarina-svg.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"55\" height=\"41\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2012\/06\/595px-bandeira_santa_catarina-svg.png 595w, https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2012\/06\/595px-bandeira_santa_catarina-svg-300x217.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 55px) 100vw, 55px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/bandeira-fraiburgo.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-274 alignright\" title=\"Bandeira de Fraiburgo\" src=\"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/bandeira-fraiburgo.jpg?w=150\" alt=\"\" width=\"50\" height=\"44\" \/><\/a>Fraiburguese Fraiburgu\u00eas (erudito)<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"color:#ff6600\">1- Ja (y\u00e1)<\/span><\/td>\n<td>&#8220;Yes&#8221;<\/td>\n<td><span style=\"color:#008000\">Sim<br \/>\n<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"color:#ff6600\">2 -Ja (y\u00e1)<\/span><\/td>\n<td>&#8220;Sure&#8221; or in combination &#8220;ja vel&#8221;<\/td>\n<td><span style=\"color:#008000\">De certeeeeezaa tch\u00f4!<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"color:#ff6600\">3 &#8211; Ja (y\u00e1)<\/span><\/td>\n<td>&#8220;Tell me&#8221;<\/td>\n<td><span style=\"color:#008000\">Digue<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"color:#ff6600\">4 &#8211; Ja (yooaahh)<\/span><\/td>\n<td>When you ask someone &#8220;Did you like it&#8221; Then he says: &#8220;yooaah&#8221;. \u00a0Then it means &#8220;yes, it was ok&#8221;. But not great.<\/td>\n<td><span style=\"color:#008000\">Quando algu\u00e9m pergunta: Gostou? &#8220;T\u00e1 bom assim ta bom&#8221; confirma\u00e7\u00e3o de n\u00edver de qualidade aceit\u00e1vel, nada matador.<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"color:#ff6600\">5 &#8211; Ja (y\u00e1)<\/span><\/td>\n<td>That&#8217;s ok &#8211; To something that has a little better quality than the one that received a yooaahh&#8221;<\/td>\n<td><span style=\"color:#008000\">T\u00e1 beleza! um pouco melhor do que aquilo que ganhou um yooaah<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"color:#ff6600\">6 &#8211; Ja (y\u00e1)<\/span><\/td>\n<td>&#8220;Yeah&#8221; I am listening or<br \/>\nI can hear you<\/td>\n<td><span style=\"color:#008000\">&#8220;aham&#8221; sim to escuitando!<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"color:#ff6600\">7 -Ja (y\u00e1)<\/span><\/td>\n<td>&#8220;Yeah&#8221; I&#8217;m not listening<\/td>\n<td><strong><\/strong><span style=\"color:#008000\">&#8220;Aham&#8221; N\u00e3o to te escuitando e nem dando valor!<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"color:#ff6600\">8 &#8211; Ja? (y\u00e1?)<\/span><\/td>\n<td>Really? (using a high tone)<\/td>\n<td><span style=\"color:#008000\">Dependendo da intensidade pode assumir 3 n\u00edveis:<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color:#008000\">1 &#8211; S\u00e9rio tch\u00f4? capaazzzzz!<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color:#008000\">2 &#8211; S\u00e9rio tch\u00f4? bem capaizz!<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"color:#008000\">3 &#8211; S\u00e9rio tch\u00f4? Mas bem capaizz mesmo! s\u00f3 pra cabe\u00e7a, dzulivre!<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"color:#ff6600\">9 &#8211; Ja ja (y\u00e1aaaa\u00a0 y\u00e1)<\/span><\/td>\n<td>I don&#8217;t believe you!<\/td>\n<td><span style=\"color:#008000\">&#8220;ihh t\u00e1 me trovando!&#8221;<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"color:#ff6600\">10 &#8211; Ja ja ja &#8211; (y\u00e1-y\u00e1-y\u00e1)<\/span><\/td>\n<td>Karate chops (very dangerous) True story hehe<\/td>\n<td>\u00a0<span style=\"color:#008000\">Golpes de karate (perigoso)<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align:center\"><span style=\"color:#ff6600\">11- Ja (pronounced like yoooo)<\/span><\/td>\n<td>&#8220;So So&#8221; or &#8220;yes kind of&#8221; As a foreigner I can say it sounds very nice but further research is needed on this.<\/td>\n<td><span style=\"color:#008000\">&#8220;Mazomeno isso&#8221; ou &#8220;to falaannndo home&#8221; ou um &#8220;\u00f3ie que \u00e9\u00e9\u00e9\u00e9\u00e9&#8221;.<\/span><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Tchozinhos e Tchozinhas, Segue um pequeno manual para aqueles que tem curiosidade sobre a l\u00edngua Holandesa ou Fraiburguesa, \u00fatil para aqueles e que um dia ainda v\u00e3o acabar tendo que se aprofundar em alguma delas. Ao contr\u00e1rio do que muitos pensam, o foco de estudo e trabalho na Holanda n\u00e3o foi o idioma em si, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[387,409,412,437,532,605,631,659,673,741,1138],"class_list":["post-1365","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-dialect","tag-dialeto-de-fraiburgo","tag-dutch","tag-dutch-culture","tag-english","tag-fraiburgues","tag-holandes","tag-idioma","tag-ingles","tag-international-friends","tag-lingua","tag-taal"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1365","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1365"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1365\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1365"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1365"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lanofrai.com.br\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1365"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}